School Certificate to be scrapped (1 Viewer)

[Testpilot]

I wonder if this is a step towards a national certificate?

 

[xclusv2bhung]

What will the kiddies have as motivation in year 10 (admit it, the SC is/was a decent source of motivation)? They're gonna go straight from bludging to their Prelim year

i noe aye !
what the hell ..
at least the SC kinda prepares em for whats comin up ahead.
a yr 9 exam without anything in the middle for yr 10 ... that`s rather .. stupid of whoever thought of it.
god .. gime a break.

 

[cem]

The article doesn't confirm when this will happen and, as a teacher I can assure that it won't happen overnight.

To implement a new syllabus - and a national exam will require a national syllabus - will probably require a one to two year lead in time.

I wouldn't expect this to happen before 2009.

As for not having anything before Prelim - that is the case now in every other state in Australia. NSW students have more pressure and more testing done than the rest of the country - now all students will be tested equally.

In addition students who change states - estimated at around 90,000 (or more than the entire HSC cohort in a given year) per year across the country - will have the same courses.

There are probably more positives than negatives in this situation.

 

[Jachie]

I wonder if this is a step towards a national certificate?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Sparcod]

Come on guys. The school certificate was nothing much but overrated
It doesn't determine which subjects you can and can't do (in most cases).
It doesn't determine which university courses you can and can't do.

Besides, the state govt's would never, ever want Johnny's education plans in their states.

 

[simonloo]

qft

 

[missAy]

This entire forum will be made redundant...
Whatever will be next?

Compulsory fitness testing and bans on junk food to combat obesity...woops they already have the 'healthy canteen policy,' I miss my starburst and mentos.

 

[drynxz]

hmm i think scraping the sc is pretty useful cause gonna be scrap neways for people doing the HSC.

 

[dr baby beanie]

hmm i think scraping the sc is pretty useful cause gonna be scrap neways for people doing the HSC.

I disagree coz the SC is like the first major standardised state wide test before the HSC and knd of prepares you for the HSC. It gives an indication of where you're at and where your strong points are compared to everybody else in the state, it sort of helped me pick my subjects. And yes the SC is going to be scrapped for those doing the HSC but what about those not going on further, the SC for them was more like our HSC. I'd rather take the SC in one go then have it come around in a 3 year cycle.

Also like many people have said all the extra tests will just add extra pressure on kids younger and takes away from the school experience.

 

[Trebla]

Wait a minute, if the HSC is not immediately affected by scrapping the SC, then does that mean obtaining this "exit certificate" will be the new prerequisite for the HSC? So we will still have a "HIGHER" School Certificate but will no longer have just a lower level 'School Certificate'....lol.

I don't think the School Certificate should be scrapped. If there is no external exam (particularly in numeracy and literacy) in Year 10, then everyone can just bludge their way through the final year of compulsory schooling. Those who will leave school after Year 10 aren't going to be well equipped with the basic skills if they are not checked upon and assessed in Year 10. Also, having to sit an official nationwide external exam every two years is pretty darn stressful for the average academic student, particularly if you're doing it along with over 200 000 students across Australia in your grade lol.

With regards to the HSC, I'm personally on Tebbutt's side because NSW has one of the highest standards in the nation, particularly with English and Mathematics. Mathematics Extension 2 in particular, has not been matched in difficulty and academic rigour by any other high school mathematics course across the entire nation. If they're going to have a national exam, the standards should be raised on par or above with those of NSW, but the problem is that most states are not likely to keep up.

 

[Kujah]

If they're going to have a national exam, the standards should be raised on par or above with those of NSW, but the problem is that most states are not likely to keep up.

I agree with that :uhhuh: Would universities also then have a nationalised way of deciding who's gonna enrol as well?

 

[Jachie]

Ahahahaha. The DT's a fucktard.

 

[xclusv2bhung]

Haha my thoughts exactly , Jachie

 

[Captain Gh3y]

It's a shame the SMH is worse.

 

[zangetsu.xo]

well im glad im not any younger than i am now.

 

[dr baby beanie]

A national HSC, think how they'd mark it...

 

[timlay]

oh well. i hope we ARE the last year to do it. i could rub it in to peoples faces. YOU'LL NEVER DO THE SC MUAHAHAHAHAHA... .

*Shrugs*

join the SC club. no wait, u can't.

 

[cem]

Can I just point out that you are all looking at this from the point of view of students whereas the governments have to consider the wider view of the state/country as a whole?

One concern that NSW does have to deal with is that it has a very low retention rate among its students from Year 10 to Year 12 in comparison with other states and territories (I know the NT is lower but I think that is the only one). As far as the country is concerned that is not good - about 1/3 of NSW students don't continue on past Year 10 and about 10% of the state don't even complete Year 10. There is quite a bit of anecdotal evidence among teachers that it is the SC that causes many of these students to leave school both before doing it and immediately after it.

In addition having tests in Years 3, 6, and 9 would reduce the amount of state wide testing done in NSW where students are currently tests in Years 3, 5, 7, 8, and 10 (from 5 testing years to 3 testing years).

NSW is the only state with an external exam in Year 10 and yet the students in other states, particulary Vic, with the VCE, seem to cope very well with the stress of that exam without the experience of a Year 10 exam.

QLD don't even have an external exam and they have a very high retention rate.

Is there a message for governments there - take some of the pressure away and keep kids at school for longer and off welfare and out of trouble.

 

[the leader]

Can I just point out that you are all looking at this from the point of view of students whereas the governments have to consider the wider view of the state/country as a whole?
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Aaah, we are taking the view of students because we are students - and we, the students will be the ones directly affected by this change. Not the retirees, not the single mothers, not the politicians.

 

[jaaaaay]

Can I just point out that you are all looking at this from the point of view of students whereas the governments have to consider the wider view of the state/country as a whole?

Aaah, we are taking the view of students because we are students - and we, the students will be the ones directly affected by this change. Not the retirees, not the single mothers, not the politicians.

*nods*

it's a shame we don't get a say though...

but seriously, sc was a waste of time - i'd be glad they scrapped it, if i hadn't already done it!