How "tremendous" is scaling for 4U?? (1 Viewer)

[Jenny852]

Hi pplz...just wanted to ask ...how " tremendous" is the scaling for 4u? coz i've been hearing so many different things from ppl...some say only if u do well u get scaled up...some say u have to pass to get the scaling..some say even if u fail u get scaled up....i dont really get the scaling all together anyway...my teacher seems so confused...lol~

Personally...i'm not performing too greatly...just screwed 1/2 yearly...so yeah...can someone give me some info abt da scaling plzzz...thx~*^_^*

 

[Slidey]

I believe 4 unit is really the only subject where even if you "fail" (what constitutes a fail? e2? By fail, I mean any mark) you still get scaled up.

I suggest you enter some numbers into SAM.

Also look at the aligning profile for ME2. You'll note how few people get bands E2 and it's almost nill for E1. Also look at the scaling profile to see why you "always" get scaled up.

Compare: http://www.boredofstudies.org/scaledmeans.php

Anyway, keep working at it. Your teacher may have simply set you a hard exam.

 

[Jenny852]

thx~ i'll keep workin at it for sure...~ my teacher admits that he sets really hard tests for us...but either way i dont think i'm doin really well...~ i guess he's trying to make most of the class drop the course coz we're not performin as well as we're suppose to....idiot.~ o well...thx sliderule~

 

[Captain pi]

The harder the Extension 1 exam, the higher the scaling for Extension 2 in that year.

Extension 2 (4U) scaling is determined by the performance of 4U candidates in the 3U paper; the better they do, in relation to the entire candidature, the higher the scaling in the additional paper.

 

[Estel]

Scaling in 4U is not particularly tremendous in light of the fact 4U takes thrice as much work as 2U and 3U combined...

 

[JamiL]

estel it is different 4 every1
i no this bloke that got 47/50 4 3u and 89/100 4 2u, he would have definatly been better 2 do 4u, cos that 47 would count as 2u not just 1 and if he got a 86-90 in 4u that is better than the 89 in 2u.
i dont do alot of work 4 3u, i find it a lil easyer than 4u (as expected) but i did alot of work 4 2u last year. i prob do a lil more maths, but im doin 2wice as much as i did last year

 

[Estel]

Tell me when you get your marks Jamil.
It won't take long to prove me right.

btw it's a bit of a jump to suggest someone with a band 5 in 2U can get 86-90 in 4u.
Not a chance.

 

[JamiL]

he got a band 6 in 3u, 94%... now a 4u student i no got 94% 2... tell me how he couldn get a band 6 in 4u?

 

[Slidey]

btw it's a bit of a jump to suggest someone with a band 5 in 2U can get 86-90 in 4u.
Not a chance.

I disagree. I think this is really the main thing I do disagree with you on. Intelligence does not work like that. Put in the hard work and you'll do well, but as a consequence, you'll find it progressively easier to put in the hard work and hence do well; you're essentially "growing more intelligent".

Perhaps I should leave the psychology out of this. If you're still screwing up by year 12, your chances are increasingly slim and what you said basically applies (because to be honest I severely doubt you WILL put in the work necessary).

I would hope, though Estel, that your view of intelligence is not that it is a linear, unchanging entity. I would further hope you don't attribute intelligence to academic performance such as grades at school.

 

[Estel]

The HSC is not a test of intelligence, but achievement.

I maintain that difference makes it extremely shaky to argue: "person A did 90% in 2U but had he done 4U he would've got the same mark anyway".
We're not arguing over whether someone will put the work in and improve. The person we're talking about has already done the HSC and proved himself incapable of putting the work in.

 

[Slidey]

That is true. I read into your post too much, it would appear.

 

[FinalFantasy]

I disagree. I think this is really the main thing I do disagree with you on. Intelligence does not work like that. Put in the hard work and you'll do well, but as a consequence, you'll find it progressively easier to put in the hard work and hence do well; you're essentially "growing more intelligent".

Perhaps I should leave the psychology out of this. If you're still screwing up by year 12, your chances are increasingly slim and what you said basically applies (because to be honest I severely doubt you WILL put in the work necessary).

I would hope, though Estel, that your view of intelligence is not that it is a linear, unchanging entity. I would further hope you don't attribute intelligence to academic performance such as grades at school.

i agree! "intelligence" can be changed, through change we can get more "clever"

 

[Estel]

And then we fall back to the argument of what intelligence is

 

[HayleeKate]

It perfectly possible that someone getting 84% in 2u could do well in 4u.
myself for example, top my school in every assessment for 3 and 4 unit, yet, in 2 unit I'm coming 13th, I just dont like the easy shit, I make stupid mistakes and imagine that the question is harder than it actually is, I know plenty of kids who up the top range of 3 and 4 unit and have the same problem, I guess we probably get in the mental state that "its only 2 unit and im top of 4 unit, so i dont need to study much" which might be it to, everyone's different. BUT there its quite possible to perform poorly in 2 unit and be good at the higher level. 2 unit is rote learning formulas, extensions take some mathematical ability.

 

[Slidey]

Yes, but how much of that poor 2u score can you attribute to carelessness on our part due to 4u? With the person Jamil described, there is no "I don't care, it won't count" attitude, so the guy probably just DIDN'T care.

 

[JamiL]

yer this bloke did care, and ill admit when i did 2u, i was a bit, fuk this is annoying, its 2 easy. and prob suffured from that as i didn try that hard

 

[Jenny852]

hey...how much does ur rank actually push ur final markz up?? my teacher's are saying dat if ur 1st at skool u'll come 1st in da HSC for dat yr for dat subject...dat's a pretty dumb theory...i mean...even if u come 1st in skool for assessmentz..if u stuff up da hsc...then u got no chance of comin 1st...any contributions to this "theory"??

 

[Estel]

If you come 1st in internal, you get the highest external mark as your internal.
You still get your own exam mark.

 

[ishq]

The harder the Extension 1 exam, the higher the scaling for Extension 2 in that year.

Extension 2 (4U) scaling is determined by the performance of 4U candidates in the 3U paper; the better they do, in relation to the entire candidature, the higher the scaling in the additional paper.

Could you expand on this?



I think I do better in Extension II than Extension I because I put in so much more effort for the former. This is basically due to the mental block that says "Its Extension II, Its Extension II". Also, because I did alright in Extension I in preliminary with next to no study, I think I can cope...Im usually wrong...

Just out of curiousity, how many schools allow their Extension II students to sit the 2 Unit Assessments and Exams?

 

[Captain pi]

Could you expand on this?

Certainly:

Suppose an Extension 1 paper is challenging. Therefore, the marks will be generally low. Because 4U candidates are stronger (presumably), they will perform better in the 3U paper than Extension 1 candidates. The marks will be awarded for maths ability; and, not so much for silly errors.

Now, suppose an Extension 1 exam is easy. Therefore, the marks will generally be higher, for both 3U candidates and 4U candidates. Also, because it is easy, the 4U candidates (assuming they are stronger) will not be as dominant in the 3U paper. That is, their extra skill will not be necessary in the exam; and, consequently, (due to silly errors), there will be less distinction between 4U and 3U candidates. Hence, the scaling for 4U will be much closer to 3U; hence, high, but not trememdous.

That's my spin on it.

Love,

pi.